War On Gaza Poll

I know this is a gross oversimplification, but this has to be done.

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11 Responses to “War On Gaza Poll”

  1. Uzza Says:

    I voted 'no' but not because I agree with it, only that I don't approve of Israel's strategy. A No vote implies there is never a situation in which war is appropriate, which is false. A Yes vote presupposes that such an attack will ensure safety, also false, and it ignores that an attack might take other forms than the one being used.
    A good ongoing discussion on this at Mindroppings, that would benefit from your input…

  2. Uzza Says:

    Oops. Forgot the end tag. On my screen anyhow, your hyperlinks are almost exactly the color of the text, so it's hard to tell they're even there. :-<

  3. Freidenker Says:

    Sorry. Otherwise, this theme is kinda cool 🙂
    Om, anyway, your link points to this post, so I'm not sure how to get to where you wanted me to.

    Um, and also, the "no" answer was given some artistic license. Of course it doesn't mean "all wars are bad", it was just a soppy way of putting it.

    What do you mean by "Israel's strategy"?

  4. Freidenker Says:

    Actually, in this current incursion, we have not only America's full support, but that of the EU as well.

    As far as ending the occupation: Israel will always have to continue this vicious circle of fighting, occupying, and withdrawing so long as Gaza is ruled predominantly by Islamic zealots. Since Israel is by its definition (though not by its populace) secular, there will always be friction between the Pals. The Pals are an extremely devout people, and since their devoutness is of Islam, this is the core of all future violence. Islam will never tolerate "infidels" governing holy lands.

    You have an entire blog devoted to ripping the Kuran into bits, so I guess you know a lot more about this than I do. I'm just parroting what Hamas spokesmen say about their insistence on violent resistance. You *must* realize that the situation in the middle east does not derive from a territorial feud – it's a religion-vs.-secularism feud.

    And that is going to take more than withdrawing from the occupied territories to solve.

  5. Freidenker Says:

    Actually, in this current incursion, we have not only America's full support, but that of the EU as well.

    As far as ending the occupation: Israel will always have to continue this vicious circle of fighting, occupying, and withdrawing so long as Gaza is ruled predominantly by Islamic zealots. Since Israel is by its definition (though not by its populace) secular, there will always be friction between us and the Pals. The Pals are an extremely devout people, and since their devoutness is of Islam, this is the core of all future violence. Islam will never tolerate "infidels" governing holy lands.

    You have an entire blog devoted to ripping the Kuran into bits, so I guess you know a lot more about this than I do. I'm just parroting what Hamas spokesmen say about their insistence on violent resistance. You *must* realize that the situation in the middle east does not derive from a territorial feud – it's a religion-vs.-secularism feud.

    And that is going to take more than withdrawing from the occupied territories to solve.

  6. Freidenker Says:

    Bush administration or not, America's support is paramount to us. In general. We'd be lunch without it. I don't know about Obama, though. I'm assuming he's not going to abandon us. He may be a new president, but America is still America.

    Invading and withdrawing is good in the short run, because it weakens Hamas' military strength and exhausts their arsenal (and shuts down their supply lines). It'll grow back like a… like hair on a really hairy dude, that's how.

    As to occupying the strip and forcing down education: the idea sounds awful, but I can't help but wondering if there's any other way of "de-brainwashing" people out of radical Islam.

  7. Uzza Says:

    You have the support of the Bush administration and you count that as a plus?? rofl.

    I couldn't agree more though that it is not territorial. the idea of withdraawing from the occupied terrritories didn't even occur to me when I wrote that. I was thinking more along the lines you draw, stay there but be less confrontational and work for education and assimilation, so as to undermine the zealots, difficult as that may be. I don't see where invading and withdrawing does any good–unless you own stock in weapons factories.

  8. Rohit Says:

    I agree with Friedenker here that what Israel is facing is not a territorial dispute. It is a religious battle fuelled by Islamic doctrine. And so long as religion fuels it, it will not be easily quelled. One can easily list the various drawbacks of military action (death, destruction, loss of life, limb and property….). It is far more difficult to come up with viable alternatives.

    Don't just talk about books and libraries … draw a line that demonstrates plausible inverse causality between education and Jihad. Then compare your analysis with the stories of Bin Lade, Zawahiri, Mohammed Atta and his 18 other hijackers of 9/11, the London bombers, Glasgow bombers (doctors). you will notice that these people had some of the best education on offer but that did not dim their Islamic zeal.

  9. Rohit Says:

    Friedenker,

    I have a new post and I'd like your views / comments on it.

    Since Hamas draws its inpiration from Islamic teachings of genocide and martyrdom it is no surprise that their operating style puts a huge amount of civilians in danger. Hence our expectation of peace are themselves mis-placed because we are dealing with the religion of war.

    URL: http://myminddroppings.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/r

    Cheers.

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