Classic Poe

Boy, did I just waste my time!

Evolutionblog has another “UD is crap” post (actually, you’d enjoy reading it, the UD post was HILARIOUS), and, comment-lurker that I am, I just had to fish for interesting comments (I actually do that a lot, I have no life, I know).

Anyhow, at one point, one “Charles Rayney” started yapping about Darwinism leading to eugenics and that people evolved from monkeys and all that tired creationist drivel, at which point I said to myself: “It’s fuck’n ON!”.

After a while, I was really convinced that this guy is an ID creationist: 100% creationist drivel, no sign of parody, no ridiculous (well, not more than your garden variety Christian’s) portrayals of the bible and God, etc.

He was a Poe, and he admitted it.

He also said that he was sorry he wasted people’s time. I found this bit amazing: all you have to do to appear as an authentic anti-evolutionist bigot is to be offensive, fallacious and painfully ignorant. I never thought of it like this, but Poeing is like birdsong imitation. You just can’t tell the difference.


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17 Responses to “Classic Poe”

  1. Charles Rayney Says:

    You say you have no life because you spend your time fishing for comments.

    Now… imagine how I felt after realizing the amount of time I spent actually writing that crap.


    It admittedly was quite a bit of fun. I had established my own blog filled with the sort of nonsense I was spouting at Evolutionblog. I even went so far as to create an account on Free Republic and started posting there. The idea was that I was going to establish myself as a solid right-wing Christian zealot and then slowly start screwing around with them after building up credibility. I was even hoping to find some ways to make a few bucks off of them in the process. It was going to be awesome.

    (And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those damned kids!)

    But, like I said, I just didn’t quite have the heart for it. I don’t mind screwing around with crazies but I don’t like messing around with decent people and wasting their time, particularly when there is real ignorance out there that needs to be addressed.

    I must say, though: the non-sequitors, tuo quoques, outright ad hominem attacks, special pleadings, false accusations, and blatant lies were an absolute blast. Claiming decisive victory in the face of obvious defeat was quite fun as well. The lack of accountability for any of it was perhaps the best part of all.

    Which leads me to wonder… as you pointed out, “all you have to do to appear as an authentic anti-evolutionist bigot is to be offensive, fallacious and painfully ignorant.” I personally wonder how many voices on that side of things really are just poes whom went too far (or found it much too profitable) and simply found themselves unable to turn back?

  2. Charles Rayney Says:

    My goodness… I feel so… so… powerful!

    I mean, with this ability to make very rational individuals question the reality around them, I feel akin to J.R. “Bob” Dobbs, L. Ron Hubbard, Malaclypse the Younger, Aleister Crowley, and Hagbard Celine all rolled into one. The very fact that I am familiar with those figures removes all possibility that I’m an anti-poe… or does it?

    I fear that this might be way too much power to be placed into the hands of one man. I should probably go start a cult now or something.

  3. Charles Rayney Says:

    The requirement for belief in God is symbolic more than anything else. Freemasonry is an initiatory tradition. All that takes place within the context of initiation is symbolic. The initiation process in question involves a candidate moving from Darkness into Light. Darkness represents ignorance, Light represents knowledge and reason. The candidate begins in darkness, symbolized by being “hoodwinked” (blindfolded) and being placed within a position of duress. It is in this context that he is expected to express belief in God. I won’t say much more than that… you are certainly entitled to your opinion. 🙂

    I am not sure one can be a discordian without being an atheist in some sense. There are some distinct differences from garden variety atheism, though – discordianism is filled with nonsense, contradiction, and irrationality. Looking at it from that angle, it really would be better to consider it a form of religion.

    If it makes you feel better, though, I do prefer to consider myself a garden variety atheist when it’s hot dog night. Discordians are forbidden from partaking of hot dog buns.

    In closing, let me make one last point: I never claimed to be a rationalist. The fact that I express the occasional rational thought certainly does not make me that. 😉

  4. Freidenker Says:

    Well, at least you’re consistent. I consider myself a garden variety atheist, but as for actual habits – I’m as discordian, if not more, as you are. I have a lot of irrationality in my life, this is ho hum – a lot of people do, it’s human nature. I don’t look at it and say there’s something in it other than an expression of my obvious imperfection.

    The chaos isn’t in the universe, it’s simply in my incompetence at comprehending it.

    And you don’t have to claim to be a rationalist in order to imitate a rationalist :-> I wasn’t calling your bluff over saying “I’m a rationalist” – I’m saying you’re doing a pretty good impression of a rationalist.

  5. Charles Rayney Says:

    Hehe, and it’s much obliged.

    Nah, you strike me as someone with a similar view and sense of humor, and I personally have quite enjoyed our banter. 🙂

    I’ll certainly be keeping an eye on your blog and will hopefully comment again in the future!

  6. Charles Rayney Says:

    My goodness, I was only reading our conversations – I did not note that you are from Israel until a moment ago! What a small world it is starting to be when someone can be talking to someone from the other side of the globe without even realizing it. 🙂

  7. Crystal D. Says:

    I have a very hard time calling poe on people, but I think that’s a wonderful testament to how messed up fundagelical’s ideas are! 🙂

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